tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post7460579947435633606..comments2023-10-16T06:53:15.333-07:00Comments on mrontemp: My thoughts on the Mikko Ellilä controversy - let's THINK about itOntario Emperorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-66036354060753353282007-05-05T09:10:00.000-07:002007-05-05T09:10:00.000-07:00"We bloggers are so lemming-like predictable! Just..."We bloggers are so lemming-like predictable! Just sneak up behind one of us, whisper "freedom of speech infringement," and we howl in a Pavlovian manner."<BR/><BR/>Sorry Mrontemp, I think you should go to prison for implying that bloggers who unlike you, do not "think" about this case are not only "dogs" but also <I>dogs who react in a Pavlovian way</I>.<BR/><BR/>In your hate-speech you deny that they too are able to form opinions based on free will, thus denying them of their basic humanity.<BR/><BR/>Also by referring to "Pavlovian response", <I>Writer is trying to state his statements so that they would look like scientific facts. </I> <BR/><BR/>Seriously, since you apparently understand the difference between agreeing 100% with someone and supporting his right to say such things without police prosecution, what's the point?<BR/><BR/>I'm not aware of a single blogger who claims that they agree with everything Mikko Ellila has ever written, so that is not why they support him.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Your questions are actually not that hard if you believe in freedom of speech unless the speech is incitement for violence etc. <BR/>I believe that many people agree with me in this case<BR/><BR/>1) Dishonest question and a lousy comparison: "...He mobilizes hundreds of demonstrators" (who kill Yankel Rosenbaum?) = Mere words?<BR/><BR/>IF Mr. Ellila makes defamatory statements about Muslims <I>while</I> there are serious anti-Muslims riots going on, and organizes a violent demonstration, then he should perhaps be prosecuted, but that would not be about mere words.<BR/><BR/>Conversely, same thing: criticism = trying to restrict free speech. No, it's not.<BR/><BR/>2) No and no. What's the point? Private corporations are free to provide safe/un-safe search functions as they like, and customers are free to not use google if they disagree with the decision.<BR/><BR/>3) Google is not <I>required</I> to help Chinese to get rid of censorship by law, since it is a private corporation.<BR/><BR/>4) What about spammers? Supporting freedom of speech does not mean I have to read it, or that I may not use spam-filtering software.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-12434356479183893292007-05-04T08:26:00.000-07:002007-05-04T08:26:00.000-07:00Found additional information at Conservative Beach...Found additional information at Conservative Beach Girl's blog, which resulted in <A HREF="http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2007/05/truths-danged-truths-and-statistics.html" REL="nofollow">a followup post</A>. (Warning - my Slim Whitman views wouldn't get me in trouble with the Finnish police, but would probably result in university censure nonetheless.)Ontario Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-50900721753986527912007-05-03T14:59:00.000-07:002007-05-03T14:59:00.000-07:00Sober and refreshing thoughts. Free speech in the ...Sober and refreshing thoughts. Free speech in the public sphere has never been a black & white issue, so I can't see why it should be that in the internet.Aapohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16238268282575859166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-57064641178837755932007-05-03T14:42:00.000-07:002007-05-03T14:42:00.000-07:00Very good post. Thank you for the link to it. It...Very good post. Thank you for the link to it. It is always good to have a sound, level-headed person around as I did this past Tuesday when I had the chance to spend part of my day - well all of my day really - with two true Southern Gentlemen - both relatives.Beach Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05210025685265415598noreply@blogger.com