tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post1424704453309022679..comments2023-10-16T06:53:15.333-07:00Comments on mrontemp: In defense of Andy Jones (or, why Mika Brzezinski should apologize to her producer)Ontario Emperorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-47916031800816430062007-07-09T09:28:00.000-07:002007-07-09T09:28:00.000-07:00For those who are interested in exploring the "men...For those who are interested in exploring the "mental health treatment in jail" angle further, please see:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2007/06/los-angeles-county-sheriffs-department.html" REL="nofollow">Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and Its NORMAL Policies for Dealing with Inmates with Mental Illness (Paris Hilton excluded)</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2007/06/is-lee-baca-overruling-his-own-medical.html" REL="nofollow">Is Lee Baca Overruling His Own Medical Staff?</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2007/06/more-on-los-angeles-sheriffs.html" REL="nofollow">More on the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department's Mental Health Programs</A><BR/><BR/>As you can see, when you dig into this particular story, it starts to rival the "Scooter" story. However, people tend to disregard local stories because they're "not as important" as national stories. Just remember that the local government can do a whole lot more to mess with your life than the national government ever could.Ontario Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-55947841855955043872007-07-09T09:23:00.000-07:002007-07-09T09:23:00.000-07:00For those who haven't read the what is news part t...For those who haven't read the <A HREF="http://mrontemp.blogspot.com/2007/07/what-is-news-part-two.html" REL="nofollow">what is news part two</A> post, here are eight criteria that fairtest.org list in their definition of news:<BR/><BR/>Immediacy<BR/>Proximity<BR/>Prominence<BR/>Oddity<BR/>Conflict<BR/>Suspense<BR/>Emotions<BR/>Consequence<BR/><BR/>Here is part of the definition of the last point (more <A HREF="http://www.fairtest.org/arn/What%20is%20News.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>):<BR/><BR/>"[I]t must be important to a great number of readers. It must have some impact for the reader. Such news will affect him or her in some personal way...."<BR/><BR/>As I noted in my response to Anuz, above, all three stories (Hilton, Iraq, Bush) meet at least some of these criteria, including the criterion of "consequence." One wouldn't think that Hilton would be consequential, but even if you ignore the issue of mental health treatment in our nation's jails, there are some elements of "consequence" in the story.Ontario Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-37765876208089469112007-07-09T09:17:00.000-07:002007-07-09T09:17:00.000-07:00Stephanie: Yes. There has been tons of coverage on...Stephanie: Yes. There has been tons of coverage on the rude behavior of Scarborough and the other guy, but how much coverage has there been on Brzezinski's rude behavior? Apparently the blogosphere has concluded that Brzezinski's behavior is excusable. I don't buy it. <BR/><BR/>Circlefusion: Actually, there is a very interesting story buried in the Hilton stuff - namely, the question about how mentally ill people are treated in the Los Angeles County jail, and in other jails - but that story was drowned out. It's actually a story that Brzezinski herself might even deem worthy of her attention. See my prior posts on the topic.<BR/><BR/>Anuz: If it were a cat judging contest, and if Spice were competing, I might agree with your latter assertion. :) Regarding the direct impact to the lives of thousands of people, we each live in our own view of reality, in which things that do not directly affect us become parts of our reality because we choose to let them in. For some people, the "reality" of Paris Hilton's situation is stonger than the "reality" of a war on the other side of the world, or the "reality" of the views of one man thousands of miles away vs. the views of 535 people thousands of miles away. Sure we can say that the Paris lovers are "wrong," but how do we objectively justify this?<BR/><BR/>Anonymous: See my subsequent posts on "What is news." Although I did not perform a complete analysis, there are aspects of the Hilton story that did fit some of the classic definitions of newsworthiness. Also see my comments to Anuz, above.Ontario Emperorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00468229071024779982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-49507289942516835172007-07-08T21:00:00.000-07:002007-07-08T21:00:00.000-07:00And what is poor benighted Andy Jones's responsibi...And what is poor benighted Andy Jones's responsibility here? I'm assuming he went to a reputable school with an accredited journalism program, where students are trained to weigh decisions about which story leads, whether on the broadcast, the cover, or the front page. Jones made a feckless choice and insisted that Brzezinski go with it. Zero class, less integrity. The only thing which could legitimately annoy Andy is the fact that Mika has better judgment than he, and isn't afraid to use it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-80629434236278273892007-07-06T16:34:00.000-07:002007-07-06T16:34:00.000-07:00Thanks for letting us know that you believe the Is...Thanks for letting us know that you believe the Issue of Gay marriage (Equal rights, civil liberty, whatnots) ranks the same as an Early morning story on a spoiled brat who had to go to jail because she got caught. I mean, next you will be saying that we should cover the Puppy Judging contest over the vote on Iraq war or any other issue that could directly impact the lives of thousands of people.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17648355694557753916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-52913927124176300112007-07-06T11:48:00.000-07:002007-07-06T11:48:00.000-07:00You're comparing a story on Paris Hilton with a st...You're comparing a story on Paris Hilton with a story on Gay Marriage? That's ridiculous. Discussion of Gay Marriage is an issue about the laws of our land. The Paris Hilton story is just infatuation with a celebrity.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15652505621493215397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-31256591090970553212007-07-05T20:46:00.000-07:002007-07-05T20:46:00.000-07:00Uhm... did you actually watch the clip in question...Uhm... did you actually watch the clip in question? Because the co-workers that she supposedly insulted by refusing to read the story piled childish insults on her for so doing. I think I know who needs to apologize here, and she's not it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15521309088597052045noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-75930438901722900652007-07-04T06:36:00.000-07:002007-07-04T06:36:00.000-07:00Had to remove my last comment...something odd happ...Had to remove my last comment...something odd happened...<BR/><BR/>In re-reading your post, I find it to be specious. It has no relevance. You are actually comparing a report on gay marriage to a report on Paris Hilton? The two are mutually exclusive. Nice attempt at analyzing the situation.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11659696729706771552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-44325352571455580312007-07-04T06:34:00.000-07:002007-07-04T06:34:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11659696729706771552noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-66846786379075044992007-07-03T10:09:00.000-07:002007-07-03T10:09:00.000-07:00Oh, and do you really feel the need to spam each b...Oh, and do you really feel the need to spam each blog post you can find that supports her? Bit of a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8402506991616809807.post-15408381195181589332007-07-03T09:08:00.000-07:002007-07-03T09:08:00.000-07:00The thing is that that sort of thing happens on mo...The thing is that that sort of thing happens on morning talk shows, at least where the lighter bit is concerned--I've read that Scarborough flirts horribly with Mika on a regular basis, and how different is that? Jones chose to keep baiting Brzezinski; the public has the right to know who's producing the show, after all. Heaven forfend we hide this information.<BR/><BR/>If she owes Jones an apology, he owes her the same. And one to the public, for insulting our intelligence by running the story of a socialite finishing her pitiful stint in jail over a story about Republican public criticism of the Iraq war. Just because Larry King picks it does not make it the most important news story of the day. Or even the most important news story that the mainstream media actually runs. Your logic is decidedly flawed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com